Monday, May 22, 2006

New Bikers Guide To Riding and Buying

Hello and welcome. This guide is designed for you, the new rider. You can read through the guide from start to finish or skip to one of the three sections below. Feel free to ask any questions you have in the comments section below or on the Craigslist Motorcycle Forum.





So You Want To Ride a Motorcycle
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The first thing you are going to need to do is to get authorization from your state to ride. There are two ways of doing this;
  • Option #1:
The best way of doing this is to attend a motorcycle safety course approved by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (1-877-RIDE-411). A MSF approved course provides you with five hours of classroom instruction and ten hours of practical riding in a controlled, off-street environment. Motorcycles and helmets for use in the course are included in your course fee.

There are several positive reasons to do this. First, attendance in the course grants you a motorcycle endorsement on your driver’s license once you pass the written test at your local DMV or RMV. Second, riders who have attended a safety course are significantly less likely to have an accident. Third, most insurance companies will reduce your insurance payments up to 15% every year for having attended a MSF approved course. This can easily pay off financially if you intend to ride for more than a few years. It is the recommended method of acquiring a motorcycle driver’s license.

The process is this. Sign up for the course. Attend the course. Get the slip from the MSF instructor showing that you passed the course. Go to the DMV or RMV and show them the paper slip. Pass the written DMV test. Walk out with DMV license.
  • Option #2
The second alternative is to acquire a permit to ride a motorcycle at your local RMV or DMV. In California, this requires that you pass the written portion of the motorcycle driver’s test. Once you do so, the permit allows you to ride during daylight hours only and restricts you from riding with passengers or on the freeway at any time. It is highly recommended that you pick up a motorcycle rider’s handbook from the DMV or RMV and read it cover to cover before taking your test.

To graduate from a permit to a license, you must pass a skills test at the DMV, during which you will need to demonstrate proper safety and handling skills while riding on an enclosed course. It is recommended that you make an online appointment before you go in order to cut down on the time in line at the DMV. Again, taking the MSF course allows you to skip this second step while at the same time reducing your insurance costs, giving you hours of practical motorcycle riding experience while riding on someone else’s bike and coaches you on how to be a safer rider.



What to Wear? (Back to Top)
  • Step One: Protect Yer Noggin
While laws vary from state to state with regards to the mandatory use of helmets, it is recommended that all riders use helmets as the minimum level of protection when riding a motorcycle. Remember, someone loves that silly head of yours, even if it isn’t you.

There is much debate, both within the motorcycle enthusiast community and among motorcycle manufacturers domestically and internationally, with regard to what is the ‘safest’ helmet. To read more on the details of the debate, check the article “Motorcycle Helmet Performance: Blowing the Lid Off” by Motorcyclist Magazine.

Ultimately, it is my opinion that a Department of Transportation (DOT) approved helmet provides an appropriate level of protection for all riders. Since this is a requirement for all helmets sold in the US, you will be well served in terms of safety with nearly any selection provided in a shop.

Ultimately the best helmet is one that fits well. Visit a local motorcycle shop and try several helmets on. At this point, don’t bother looking at the price tags. The ideal helmet fits snugly on your head and has very limited motion as you swing your head right from left and back and forth. Wear each helmet for a few minutes to get a feel for it. Does it press uncomfortably on your forehead or behind your ears? If you don’t find anything comfortable, go to another shop. It is not unusual to have to visit two or three shops until you find the right helmet for you. Now pick the top two or three helmets you like and compare prices and features. A more expensive helmet is not safer, since all helmets must meet DOT safety guidelines. Generally, the higher cost reflects reduced weight and more features (better venting systems, anti-fogging visors, etc.). The price of helmets can vary enormously, from $79.95 to over $1000.00. It is very realistic to find a good helmet that fits you comfortably in a price range from $100 to $300. Again, don’t let the price of a helmet make you feel that your safety is being compromised. Purchase the helmet you prefer.

Note: It is highly recommend that you NOT purchase a used helmet. The material that protects you in a crash is the lining inside the helmet. During an impact, that material deforms to take up the force of the impact, thus preventing or reducing head injury. To determine whether a helmet has been in such an impact, an x-ray is required to view if the lining has collapsed -- a visual inspection will not suffice. If the lining is damaged from a crash, the safety of the helmet is compromised. Because of this, even if a used helmet does fit comfortably, which is rare, there is no guarantee it will protect your head in an accident. Also note that the interior lining degrades when exposed to UV light, solvents, and even sweat. It is recommended that you replace it a minimum of every five years.
  • One More Thing, Good Looking
There is also some debate about full face or 3/4 face (a.k.a. open face) helmets. Nearly 35% of helmet impacts involve the rider falling on the chin area. Even a fall from a standing position to your chin can involve serious injuries. At high speeds on road surfaces, it can be gruesome. If you are good looking, protect that chin, and if you aren’t, do us a favor and hide it (for safety’s sake).
  • Step Two: Protect Your Other Bits
Even more so than helmets, there is a debate about what is appropriate external gear. Rather than get into details, it is this rider’s recommendation that you purchase motorcycle gloves, a jacket (preferably with a liner that can be removed in summer) and pants (or a full one piece suit), and heavy-duty boots. All should fit snug and not flap in the wind. Unlike helmets, used gear in good condition can afford good protection. Different materials reflect different philosophies with regards to safety, comfort, and price. Do some research and purchase those items you feel will best protect you. Remember that purchasing gear is an intrinsic, not optional, cost of riding a motorcycle. You either dress for the ride, or you dress for the crash.



Finally, Your Ride (Back to Top)

It is nearly every new rider’s instinct to get something new and shiny and expensive. You are not unique in this. And since I’ve been a killjoy so far, I find no reason to change my tune.

The first thing I’d like to stress is that your first bike is to learn on, not to ride forever. You want a bike that you will grow out of, not a bike that you will need to grow into.

You should purchase your first bike with the understanding that you will be trading up to something newer, shinier, and more expensive in the next year or so. For your first bike, you want something that is appropriate to your level of experience and something that won’t either take you to the cleaners or make you cry when you drop it.

First, size. Bikes are generally divided by size and type (Sport, Standard, Cruisers, etc.). Size refers to engine size and is measured in cc’s (cubic centimeters of engine displacement).

For a new rider, the size of the engine should reflect your experience, and most rider’s recommend a bike in the range of 250cc to 600cc depending on your size. A smaller, lighter bike is more maneuverable and easier to handle than a larger bike.

Maybe this is just the inner cheapskate in me, but the second recommendation is that you buy a cheaper used bike in good working order. The reason for this is because as a new rider you are very likely to drop the bike. Dropping a bike with lots of chrome or plastic can easily cost hundreds of dollars to replace. You might be better served with an older beginner bike that you will feel less upset about when you forget to put down the kickstand and it falls over. You can find many such motorcycles advertised in the classifieds sections on Craigslist or other publications. In a year, or when you feel comfortable, you can then sell that motorcycle right back into the used market to the next beginner with little or no financial loss and put that money into your new, shiny, expensive bike.

As a last point on motorcycle selection, it is worth noting that insurance coverage for motorcycles varies on many factors (having passed an MSF course, age of the rider, etc.) but is heavily influenced by the type of bike being ridden, with sport bikes being the most expensive to insure. It may be worth calling your insurance company and getting a quote on the bike you are interested in. It is not unusual to spend $800 to purchase a used sport bike only to turn around and spend nearly that much to insure it per year.
  • Okay, Fine, A List
Yes, yes, all of that information above was very enlightening, but you actually want a list of bikes. Well, here you go, but please remember list this is not definitive. There have been thousands of different bikes produced over the last thirty or forty years out there that would fit the above guidelines. These are just ten bikes some folks on the Craigslist motorcycle forum came up with over the course of one day. If you find a bike you like that isn’t on this list but still fulfills most of the guidelines set above, go for it.
  • Honda Nighthawk 250, 550 or 600
  • Honda Rebel 250
  • Honda Shadow VLX 600
  • Honda VTR 250
  • Kawasaki Ninja 250
  • Kawasaki Ninja EX500
  • Suzuki GS500
  • Suzuki GZ250
  • Yamaha Virago 250
  • Yamaha XT225
Again, don't let the engine size fool you, anyone of these picks will do at least 90MPH holding someone over 200lbs, and really how often are you going to go over 90MPH on a highway?
  • All Done
That is it. If you have any questions regarding this or have any other motorcycle related questions, please feel free to post them here or on the Craigslist Motorcycle Forums, where we all are eager to answer your questions. Ride Safe!

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

This a very good idea for information to the inspired beginner rider. 100% agree with you. I took the rider safety course in GA and it was beneficial to me and I highly recommend it to my friends and anyone else. Keep up the good work.

Yi said...

Great write up. As someone who is looking into getting his first bike these bits of information were invaluable!

Joe B. said...

I started on a Ninja 250 (new) but that was a waste...the Ninja is a great bike, and lasts forever, or so I'm told. I moved up, after a year, to a FZ6, and couldn't be happier. Great advice! Please listen to it if you're a new rider!

Unknown said...

I'd add one bike to your list of potential first bikes, only because it's so light and easily handled even though it's 650cc and plenty powerful.

The Suzuki Savage / LS650 / Boulevard S40 (same bike, three different names) is a very good first time bike. Probably a far better choice than a Nighthawk 600, Honda Shadow VLX600, Suzuki GS500 or Kawasaki Ninja 500.

Anonymous said...

As a first time rider I bought a Boulevard S40. Great bike for a beginner. As I am a 5' 108 female this bike is working out great for me

Anonymous said...

I have a Suzuki GS500E and I love this machine, fast, good looking and runs with peanuts (very good gas miles). I`d like to thank you for all your info. Great job!

sandy said...

I am a brand new rider and have a savage 650. I seem to stay on the ground a lot. Can anyone here tell me your secret to staying upright instead of bottom down?????????????? I am determined to do this so any comments are great..PLEASE HELP

Anonymous said...

Sandy if you mean that you keep falling of the bike or dropping the bike I'll suggest you take a riders course.

Anonymous said...

How do i go about finding a comparable value for a Honda Helix CN250, 1995, in perfect condition?
thanks, cat

Anonymous said...

I am a first time bike owner. I bought a 2008 Ulatra Glide and have put 9756 miles on it this year. Without no tip overs. Thank GOD !

Anonymous said...

I got my bike over the summer from craig's list. This is the first time I read this, but it makes me feel better that I did almost everything right. I got a 2005 250 kawasaki ninja for 3500. A little expensive for a used bike, but it only had 10 miles on it!!! Yes, I dropped it on my first ride out on the street. I was devastated, but then felt a lot better when my friend saw it and said that it was all cosmetic damage. He fixed it for me and all I really needed were new turning signals. I felt great that I didn't have a new, expensive bike, with a lot of plastic, to fix after the little crash.

Anonymous said...

I got my bike in October, from a seller here on Craigslist. A 2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Classic. This is my first bike, I got my license in June of last year and I am a
5'5" lady about 185lbs. So far I have found this bike fits me very well.

Anonymous said...

I am having difficulty getting through the road test portion of the dmv test (new jersey)...I own a maxi scooter and drive it around fine on my permit(with a licensed ms driver).

tried a msf course (ng) also on skills demo. Some how the scooter learning /skills didn't help me with learning a bike (which i really don't need). Is there anyone out there who can provide training /rental of a small scooter to take the skills test directly at dmv (northern nj)?

Brian said...

Thanks for the great forum. I have one question for you or anybody that could help. I am 6'1" about 275 lbs. Any suggestions for a beginner bike? I live in a city, so it would be stop and go. Also, what do I look for in buying? Is it like a car? Check tires, leaks, blah, blah, or anything special? Thanks and you can e-mail me @ indy_medic121985@yahoo.com Please include something about bikes or somthing, or else I am going to delete it. Thanks for all help!

Unknown said...

Hi...I am 5'10", 160# adult looking to purchase an SV650 Naked. Do you think this is a good choice or should a Rebel 250cc be a better way to go. By the way I only have ridden 125cc scooters and nothing else. Also is there a way to search Craigslist complete east coast? it is quite heavy searching city by city.

Thank you.

Unknown said...

Does anyone have strong opposition to starting on an SV650 naked? I am 5'10" 160# adult. New to motorcycles...only ridden 125cc scooters. I think that a 250cc Rebel maybe quite small and underpowered for city ridding.
Last, how do you search Craigslist entire USA East coast? Searching city by city really sucks. Thank you all in advance for your comments.

Yen said...

Hey JP,

I'd go smaller rather than bigger, the rebel 250 is a nice, fun bike too. And flipping it if you want the SV shouldn't be hard (there are always new riders looking for small bikes)

As for searching CL coast to coast, not really. It is really designed for local services.

Anonymous said...

Awesome, thanks for the article

dante Rizzo said...

I second with westernpolo's comment. I read this the day after i bought my rebel 250 cc from craigslist and did just about everything as stated. It is comforting knowing it was all done correctly. Still learning and haven't dropped but have hit the throttle just a tad when I didn't mean too. Not a good thing... thanks fence! lol you learn from your mistakes right!?!? best of luck to everyone. Happy riding!

mike d said...

Just dumped my Honda 250 nighthawk after riding for a year... Sooooooooo happy I bought that used thing for $1000

Also happy I was wearing my helmet. not so happy I was only wearing a Tshirt - tore up my shoulder pretty good.

Unknown said...

I've had a few bikes in the past, but that was almost 30 years ago. You get married, a few kids come along, priorities change. Well, my youngest just went off to college in August, and while I was getting my car serviced one day, I saw a couple of bikes on my mechanics lot. It started to bring back memories of back in the day, as they say, and it started me thinking how much I enjoyed riding. I went for my motorcycle permit, and started looking for a bike, thinking "I've ridden before, I don't need to take a class...I never did in the past (I don't think they any such thing back then)". Then reality struck. I'm approaching 60 years old, maybe it would be a good idea. 1) it's free, 2)it'll give me some riding experience even before I get my own bike, and 3) I'll be able to get my license without having to own or borrow a bike for the test. Made sense, and I'm glad I went that way. Not only was the instruction helpful, but Talking to other students in the class helped me get more focused on different types of bikes, different types of riding situations, and what I'm most interested in doing. The next helpful thing I did was purchase "The Idiots Guide to Motorcycles". That too, for me, has proved a very valuable resource. Again, it helped me decide on what type of bike I wanted, and provided alot of very useful information. I strongly recommend it, especially for newbies, though I think it may provide much useful information for more experienced riders, as well. The third and final resource I found extremely helpful is "www.totalmotorcycle.com" website.
There's a buyers guide that I would go to to see the comments on each bike I was considering purchasing. It gives info on engine size, horsepower, top speed, gas mileage, and recommendations as to whether it would be a good bike for beginners, or more appropriate for more experienced riders.
I started checking craigs list regularly, saw some motorcycles I was interested in, but remained uncertain, until I saw an ad for a 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 500R. Just over 3,000 miles, $2,900. Doesn't burn or use oil, serviced regularly, a few minor scratches, but no broken plastic or dents. I e-mailed the guy who was selling it. He hadn't been riding it for awhile (that's why he was selling it) so the inspection had lapsed. I offered him $2,500 with a valid inspection. He got it done, it needed nothing, accepted my offer and the deal was done.
It has been such a joy to be riding again. While my immediate feeling was one of buyer remorse, "I shouldn't have spent the money, I really didn't need a motorcycle", The first day I got to take it out for a real ride, all that was gone. I remembered what it had been like in the old days and why I wanted one. It is exhilarating. My biggest regret, now is when the weather is nasty and I'm not able to go out for a ride. It's brought some much needed excitement back into my life. In conclusion...Stay within your means, if you can afford a new Ducatti, more power to ya, but if not, there are many good, affordable bikes out there. I'd advise to not exceed your abilities to control whatever bike you decide on. To quote Dirty Harry "a mans' got to know his limitations" As was said, as your skill increases, so can your cc's, or whatever. Hope my little testimonial was helpful to someone. Be well, be strong, be safe.

Anonymous said...

Great article for a beginner rider. I am taking the training class 2 weekends from now and wasn't really sure what kinda bike I wanted. I knew ones I have seen and liked, but didnt know the make or model. I have looked at some of the bikes on the list and they are exactly what I have had my eye on. Will most likely go with one of the Hondas.

Unknown said...

Wow, I am really impressed with all the awesome posts about the safety course. I am from TX, a 62-year old female and am an instructor for the course. I don't need to add anything because it seems everybody has it figured out! Stay safe and give the course a try if you are a beginner or refresh your skills with the experienced rider course.

Unknown said...

first time rider{driver},i will be taking the safety course in the spring.im enjoying the feed back,never to old to be safe as you learn...

Unknown said...

Darn...looks like I did it the wrong way. I am a first time rider and I just bought a '75 harley shovelhead...but I am going to take the riders course...
was that stupid?

Yen said...

@Mark - just because you bought a nice, expensive, heavy first bike doesn't mean you'll crash it.

It's an odds game. Hence the advice.

Good on you for taking the class, that should mitigated a lot or risk.

Just take it slow for a while

Unknown said...

Judgebill said;
When I turned 73 decided I really needed to learn. Got my learner's permit, took the MSF course on a 250 and as soon as I got my license I rented a Honda Gold Wing (I'm 6'1", weigh 210 lbs). Dropped the bike 3 times in as many hours. Then tried a BMW R 1200 RT and loved it. Rode it for 3 days and decided this was what I wanted. Then I tried the BMW K1200LT (850 lbs w. htd grips and seat, cruise control, raisable windshield and built-in saddle bags). I was in love. Bought a used ('03) LT and 2 weeks later rode it 3000 miles from Los Angeles to MIssoula, Montana, solo. Loved every minute of the trip. A year later rode it to Bend, Oregon (2000 miles) up the Calif. coast. Again loved the trip. Now, I'm not a youngster, have no desire to get there the fastest, feel comfortable slowing for sharp curves and like to stop every couple hours to stretch and walk around. Wear full suit of armor, full-face helmet, ear-plugs. Don't listen to music when I ride. Do not recommend as a first bike the BMW K1200LT...but have to admit I've loved every mile I put on this machine. Yes, I've dropped it a few times, there are scratches that I wish weren't there but mechanically it has been a dream and a magnificent machine for taking long rides. It has opened a whole new dimension in my life. My wife and grandkids think I'm nuts.

John said...

Bill, how did you go about renting a goldwing? I am 27 yo and weigh a buck-30. I want to look at this really sweet undressed goldwing and I am contemplating getting it for my first bike. There's also a Rebel for sell as well but I really like the goldwing. What advice do you have for me? And don't forget I want to know about how I can go about renting a bike?

~J

Unknown said...

I started off riding in the dirt and then got my M1 license at 18 yo. Dual sport bikes are much lighter and have flexible turn signals - they dont break when the bike falls over. I started on the street on a DT 250 - enduro - dual sport bike. Now I have a 600 kawasaki - ninja style bike - I have been riding over 30 years and have never dropped any of my street bikes. I always " Ride for the Slide " , JACKET - GLOVES - BOOTS- HELMET - I never ride in shorts or sandals. MY SKIN IS TOO VALUABLE !!

Anonymous said...

i took a course when i was 59 got a bike when i was60. bought a 20002 honda magna. great bike always wear ahelment and jacket.i rode when i was in 20s/30s. alwas take arider course even if a refreser.

Harry said...

Yen, GREAT suggestions from you and many others.
I would like to add that when you buy that used motorcycle, have someone check it out for safety. Especially if it's been sitting awhile, cables can stick and tires can become dangerous.
Safety to ALL, Harry

Anonymous said...

This is my first time but I do ride a 150cc Scooter. I do like the infomation that was givin above. I would like to know how can I get my motercycle licence if I have a 150cc Scooter.

Anonymous said...

I have been riding a 150 cc Vespa for about a year, have my motorcycle endorsment. I'm signed up to take the MSF class in a couple weeks as a refresher w shifting gears and using the clutch. I am looking for a motorcycle in the 900-1100 cc range crusier type. I like the quiet aspect of the Honda Goldwing hate the loud Harleys. Any suggestions. I have noticed most use bikes on craigs list advertise "plenty of extras like....new "loud" pipes "sounds great" Not to me, I want something easy on the ears. Thanks
JB

Yen said...

"I want something easy on the ears."

Pretty much you want a bike with stock pipes. Even Harley's with stock pipes aren't that loud because there are regulations on the decibel limits on new bikes. The aftermarket stuff is what is so loud (and I hear they are cracking down on shops that install such pipes now).

Unknown said...

Okay i just bought a Honda cb 400..first bike have not ridden a street bike before only dirt bikes...was that a good choice? And anyone have any advice? I can be reached at donrece@live.com...also would anyone recommend me driving it home, cause that's the only way its going to get there!!

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that taking on a passenger completely changes the dynamics of the ride(Ill leave out deadly examples here). Dont show off to impress the passenger. and do some practice turns with each individual passenger before the ride to see if they will lean with you.

Anonymous said...

Hello!

I have my M class license. I got it last year but have not been on a MC since. I am just now able to purchase a MC.

I do not want to go and buy a MC, without going over the basics again.

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can look for a refresher class, private or individuals that give private lessons. Does that even exist?

BTW, I live in Virginia!

Thanks - Mary

Yen said...

Mary

You can try your searching for MSF classes in Virginia and there should be some options.

Or follow this link

http://nm.msf-usa.org/msf/ridercourses.aspx?state=VA